Shaila, 24 June 2006
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The Team Of Total Awesomenesses Shaila, The Sixth
- Info: See <http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/latest> for introductory docs.
- Author: Jeffry Archambeault (jeffarch) <jjarchambeault@gmail.com>
- Date: $Date: 2006-06-24 23:59:59 +0100 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) $
- Revision: $Revision: 0002 $
- Description: Summary of daily #esp-core IRC logs
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Shaila Meta-Stuff
References
_devplan: http://www.espians.com/espra/devplan.html document covers the details.
_devtasks: http://www.largeblue.com/_space/first_run_through.txt
- <possumman> Hey sbp, for people that don't have htpasswd installed, what about using an online password generator, such as the one at http://www.4webhelp.net/us/password.php? 09:23:34
- <talonlzr> http://get.modportal.net/~talon/KalatiEncodingPlatform-Overview.pdf updated a lil' bit 03:24:49
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#esp-core Summary
[Business Contracts]
[Business Structure]
[Business Accounting]
[Development Timeline]
[Development Tasks]
- <tav> GReaper / jeffarch / Omni|AFK / possumman / talonlzr : can you add your names to sandbox/contributors.txt pls 09:06:32 - <talonlzr> oki 09:10:04 - <talonlzr> its in the SVN? 09:10:24 - <tav> aye 09:11:28 - * talonlzr regrets not checking out JUST the sandbox. 09:11:45 - <tav> it's a test to see if ppl can checkout/commit successfully ;p 09:11:52 - <tav> talonlzr: hehe 09:11:55 - <tav> you saying you don't love my hard work? ;p 09:12:18 - <talonlzr> quite the conterary, actually. 09:12:32 - <talonlzr> Its an impressive load of files. 09:12:37
[Infrastructure]
- <GReaper> i've changed the SSL certificate for secure.espnow.net (and other SSL services) 06:24:59 - <GReaper> http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 06:49:57 - <GReaper> import those certificates 06:50:01
[Development Team Members]
[Protoplex/Kalati]
[VOIP]
[Licensing]
- <talonlzr> tav: http://get.modportal.net/~talon/KalatiEncodingPlatform-Overview.pdf 11:30:43 - <sbp> ah, that's what you needed the copyright notice for! 11:35:39 - <sbp> nice document 11:35:43
- <possumman> What's the deal with: "By default, all copyright held of the Kalati source code WILL be released by ESP Metanational LLP into the public domain during October 2007. Tav can choose to *bring this date forward* if he thinks it appropriate." 11:42:14 - <possumman> If Tav can bring the date forward, than isn't the date rather meaningless? 11:42:32 - <tav> forward... 11:42:59 - <possumman> Ah, forward meaning earlier, not later? 11:43:16 - <tav> i.e. make it earlier 11:43:18 - <tav> yes 11:43:30 - <possumman> I think forward and backward in time is a bit ambiguous in this sence. How about we alter the Wiki to use the word "earlier". 11:43:43 - <possumman> ? 11:43:49 - <possumman> Cuz I think of forward in time as further into the future. 11:44:10 - <jeffarch> "Roll Back" (tm) WalMart 11:44:15 - <tav> possumman: forward is pretty clear and generally understood... 11:57:20 - <jeffarch> like "toward the front" 12:01:42 - * jeffarch can understand the confusion 12:02:01 - <jeffarch> early/late model (car) get me too 12:02:22
[Subversion / Trac]
- <xena> http://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/21 by talonlzr (1 changed) in sandbox/ -- 'Added myself! :)\n\n' -- contributors.txt (U) 09:17:17
- <xena> http://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/22 by tav (4 changed) in 2 subdirs of trunk/source/python/app/proto/ -- 'abstracted out the media-rss/podcast feed generation further with support for multiple feeds running from the same protoplex node each with their own metadata and xsl file' --
- <xena> http://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/23 by tomkins (1 changed) in sandbox/ -- 'Added myself to contributors.txt.\n' -- contributors.txt (U) 17:10:18
- <xena> https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/24 by jeffarch (1 changed) in sandbox/ -- 'Added myself to contributors.txt\n' -- contributors.txt (U) 17:21:02
[LOCALIZATION]
[Transparency]
[3ware]
[butterfly.tv]
[Development Summary]
- <jeffarch> Checked out revision 22. 17:08:17 - <tav> woo! 17:08:21 - <GReaper> excellent 17:08:23 - <GReaper> no more damn "bugs" :p 17:08:37 - <tav> sbp: mayhap it fixes youse decimal probs too? 17:08:43 - <jeffarch> ok...file edited, now what? 17:09:04 - <jeffarch> comit? 17:09:43 - <GReaper> svn commit 17:10:18 - <xena> http://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/23 by tomkins (1 changed) in sandbox/ -- 'Added myself to contributors.txt.\n' -- contributors.txt (U) 17:10:18 - <GReaper> give a meaningful explanation of what you've changed 17:10:38 - <tav> heh, /me waits to teach jeffarch about conflict resolution 17:10:49 - <GReaper> yeah, i'm mean :p 17:10:59 - <GReaper> submitting before him 17:11:05 - <tav> bastard 17:11:32 - * jeffarch shakes his finger at GReaper 17:12:29 - <jeffarch> so, what...svn update to rev 23 17:13:56 - <jeffarch> svn: Aborting commit: '/home/jja/kalati/sandbox/contributors.txt' remains in conflict 17:14:11 - <tav> do an ls 17:14:18 - <jeffarch> oOo 17:14:34 - <tav> you see the different .r23 files, &c. ? 17:14:38 - <jeffarch> ya 17:14:44 - <tav> basically, it's the 3 versions of the file -- your version, the new version by someone else and the previous version that you both used 17:15:13 - <jeffarch> that makes sense...what do I do about it? :) 17:15:34 - <tav> normally you can just ignore those, go look in the main file where you'll see special markers >>>>> 17:15:39 - <jeffarch> ah yes 17:15:56 - <tav> now, they demarcate (sp?) the different regions of conflicting edits 17:16:26 - <tav> just edit those areas as appropriate, deleting the markers 17:16:46 - <jeffarch> ah ok...thought as much 17:16:57 - <jeffarch> should the eof marker stay? 17:17:18 - <tav> ehm, that's not a marker per se, sbp put that in 17:17:34 - <tav> so yeah 17:17:50 - <jeffarch> heh...ok :) 17:17:51 - <jeffarch> then commit again? 17:18:18 - <tav> once you've done that and saved the file you're meant to delete the other files and do some magic. but you could shortcut that and just do `svn resolved contribtors.txt` 17:18:36 - <tav> and, then commit. otherwise, it'll bitch that foo remains in conflict 17:18:52 - <tav> done yet? 17:19:47 - <GReaper> you'll know when he's done! 17:20:14 - * GReaper points at xena 17:20:18 - <tav> heh 17:20:32 - * jeffarch waits 17:21:02 - <tav> well, xena needs to join a noisy irc channel somewhere, it'll then go and keep finding out if there are new messages more frequently 17:21:02 - <xena> https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/24 by jeffarch (1 changed) in sandbox/ -- 'Added myself to contributors.txt\n' -- contributors.txt (U) 17:21:02
- <sbp> I want some command line program that takes in an extension, asks apache what mime type it thinks that corresponds to, and spits it out on stdout 17:42:12 - <sbp> that would be so rad that it would almost hurt 17:42:19 - <sbp> (apropos of handlers that do crazy things) 17:42:44 - <tav> ehm 17:46:43 - <GReaper> urm 17:47:04 - <GReaper> file --mime filename 17:47:22 - <GReaper> ? :p 17:47:23 - <tav> .py import mimetypes; print mimetypes.knownfiles 17:47:46 - <xena> ImportError: untrusted dynamic module: _ socket 17:47:46 - <GReaper> oh, an extension 17:47:48 - <GReaper> that's the job of /etc/mime.types ! 17:48:08 - <tav> -- 17:49:25 - <tav> knownfiles = [ 17:49:26 - <tav> "/etc/mime.types", 17:49:26 - <tav> "/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types", 17:49:26 - <tav> "/usr/local/lib/netscape/mime.types", 17:49:26 - <tav> "/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types", # Apache 1.2 17:49:28 - <tav> "/usr/local/etc/mime.types", # Apache 1.3 17:49:31 - <tav> ] 17:49:33 - <tav> -- 17:49:36 - <tav> there's also the fledgling https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/browser/trunk/source/python/format/mimetype/mimetype.py to expand 17:51:54 - <tav> btw, the psf r0x0rs 17:53:38 - <tav> https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/browser/trunk/source/python/s11n/psf/psf.py 17:53:40 - <tav> checkout the stats at the bottom. cPickle size 15560, psf size 1911 !! ;p 17:54:29
[Shaila]
[World Cup]
In the NFWS Dept (unless you work for `ESP Metanational LLP` ;p
- <talonlzr><-- why we have football. 11:19:06 - <talonlzr> err, soccer. 11:19:09 - <sbp> football 11:19:16 - <sbp> and quite! 11:19:27
[Other]
- <talonlzr> https://get.modportal.net/~talon/shahtpwdgen.php *updated* 10:11:17 - * talonlzr moves back to what he was *REALLY* doing. 10:11:23 - <tav> heh @ security notices 10:11:57 - <talonlzr> from what they could know, the "view source" feature could be totally bogus ;P 10:12:25 - <talonlzr> logging everyones password 10:12:31 - <talonlzr> and spreading it like wildfire ;P 10:12:36 - <GReaper> was going to say 10:12:43 - <GReaper> yes, could just read another file :p 10:12:48 - <talonlzr> I feel pretty well covered with that security notice, and the win32 binary version though :) 10:13:19 - <talonlzr> use a software firewall to make sure the .exe version doesn't call home ;P 10:13:53
- <talonlzr> <steve> salt? hashs's? i duno how it works but i like it Smile 10:24:30 - <talonlzr> (from the page possumman pasted earlier :) 10:24:43 - <talonlzr> Crypto ain't for everyone :) 10:24:59 - <jeffarch> PFM-class concept 10:25:24
- <jeffarch> svn: REPORT request failed on '/kalati/!svn/vcc/default' 09:46:48 - <jeffarch> svn: REPORT of '/kalati/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.espnow.net) 09:46:49 - <GReaper> http://www.sipfoundry.org/tools/svn-tips.html#proxy 09:47:05 - <GReaper> behind a proxy? 09:47:14 - <jeffarch> yep 09:47:24 - <GReaper> might explain why 09:47:40 - <GReaper> will move svn/trac after dinner 11:00:16 - <GReaper> then people like jeffarch can use it over SSL :p 11:00:25
Ok, everyone Sing Along!
- <sbp> TAV 10:59:57 - <sbp> TAV 10:59:58 - <sbp> TAV TAV 11:00:02 - <sbp> o/~ TAV 11:00:06 - <sbp> TAV TAV TAV 11:00:10 - <sbp> o/~ TAV TAV 11:00:15 - <sbp> TAV o/~ 11:00:18 - <sbp> TAV TAV 11:00:22 - <sbp> o/~ 11:00:24 - <sbp> TAV 11:00:25 - <sbp> TAV 11:00:29 - <sbp> o/~ 11:00:51 - <tav> ehm, hi =) 11:08:29 - <sbp> yo 11:08:40
- <jeffarch> what the hell did I juse do? 11:16:56 - <jeffarch> just, even 11:17:08 - <sbp> misspelled "just" 11:17:15 - <talonlzr> heh 11:17:20 - <talonlzr> Told you you'd be a nice spellingnazi to have. 11:17:29 - <sbp> heh, heh 11:17:34 - <sbp> I'd prefer "spelling-nazi" 11:17:49 - <talonlzr> Thats ok, I'd expect no less :) 11:18:00 - <jeffarch> lost route to dns? 11:18:02 - <sbp> that's 11:18:08 - <sbp> DNS 11:18:12 - <talonlzr> ok, it's going to get annoying at some point in the near future ;P 11:18:28 - * sbp turns the pedantry all the way UP TO ELEVEN 11:18:29 - <sbp> yep 11:18:37 - <sbp> :-) 11:18:38 - <jeffarch> ok, Nigel 11:18:43 - <sbp> hehe 11:18:47
Only makes sense to #esp lurkers
- <tav> btw, sbp, can you make phenny not respond to nsh if he does an .ety in a channel please? ;p 17:27:40 - <sbp> heh, heh 17:27:52 - <sbp> he's tremendously .ety happy, indeed 17:28:06 - <sbp> hang on a moment 17:28:27 - <tav> i went hunting for an appropriate book for him the other day 17:28:36 - <sbp> if (origin.sender == '#esp') and (origin.nick == 'nsh'): 17:31:13 - <sbp> self.msg(origin.nick, result) 17:31:13 - <sbp> note = 'nsh: see privmsg (yes, this only happens for you)' 17:31:13 - <sbp> self.msg(origin.sender, note) 17:31:13
- <GReaper> changed the trac image link 17:28:32 - <GReaper> as that pissed me off :p 17:28:36 - <GReaper> i like clicking big images to go back to the main page 17:28:50 - <tav> GReaper: hmz? 17:29:21 - <tav> that wasn't working before ? 17:29:25 - <GReaper> it pointed to the main trac site 17:29:33 - <tav> oh 17:30:26 - <tav> heh 17:30:27
Back-up comms planning?
- <jeffarch> -th6thdh6hg- [Global Notice] Hi all. We've obviously had a compromise. We believe it may be limited, but we're looking at it now, and obviously we may be wrong. Apologies for the difficulties. 21:27:04
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TTLY
- This Time Last Year - a look at the #esp logs from a year ago, just for fun
I miss Maur's LOtDs.
- <Maur> I suggest you read this, if you're concerned about government abuse of regulations in the US 18:52:38 - <Maur> http://www.openmindmedia.com/records/index.html 18:52:39 - <Maur> Wow. Visual Perl. 19:50:44 - <Maur> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/06/23/sprog.html 19:50:45 - <Maur> Sparklines generator. 19:52:41 - <Maur> http://bitworking.org/projects/sparklines/ 19:52:41 - <urgyen> it just keeps on going 19:53:51 - <urgyen> it is amazing how well information densifies 19:54:08 - <urgyen> doesn't "bookmark with del.icio.us" defeat the whole idea of it? 20:05:19 - <urgyen> I mean, certainly there's some kind of value in popularity of a link 20:06:07 - <urgyen> but I feel like unique is better 20:06:16 - <urgyen> I tend to avoid links that 'everyone' already knows 20:06:37 - <urgyen> and a "bookmark with del.icio.us" link seems like it abuses that 20:07:08 - <Maur> http://eclectech.co.uk/clarkeidcards.php 20:10:12 - <urgyen> hmn my flash seems borkt 20:15:02 - <urgyen> I had to turn on IE to watch that... 20:38:50 - <urgyen> but it was worth it 20:38:53 - <Maur> http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/002342.html 20:56:41
