Shaila, 25 June 2006
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The Team Of Total Awesomenesses Shaila, The Seventh
- Info: See <http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/latest> for introductory docs.
- Author: Jeffry Archambeault (jeffarch) <jjarchambeault@gmail.com>
- Date: $Date: 2006-06-25 23:59:59 +0100 (Sun, 25 Jun 2006) $
- Revision: $Revision: 0001 $
- Description: Summary of daily #esp-core IRC logs
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Shaila Meta-Stuff
References
_devplan: http://www.espians.com/espra/devplan.html document covers the details.
_devtasks: http://www.largeblue.com/_space/first_run_through.txt
- <tav> irclogs are now private too 06:59:36 - <tav> login: ###### / ###### 06:59:45
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#esp-core Summary
[Business Contracts]
- <thruflo> btw green.tv was mentioned on BBC's click programme today 06:35:15 - <GReaper> oooooh 06:35:44 - <GReaper> ah right 06:36:13 - <GReaper> that explains the peak in the graphs :p 06:36:18 - <tav> hmz what graph ? 06:37:57 - <thruflo> hope so! did also just publish 8 films which gets traffic from subscribers 06:38:00 - <tav> where's the graph for han ? 06:38:03 - <thruflo> https://secure.espnow.net/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=9&predefine 06:38:13 - <tav> ah, GReaper what happened to the historical data ? 06:39:16 - <GReaper> problems moving from qin to temp1 06:39:36 - <GReaper> apologies for that 06:39:51 - <tav> we no have our historical data ? 06:39:56 - * tav sob 06:39:59 - <GReaper> and need to do host1 graphs for each node :p 06:40:19 - <tav> host1 ? 06:40:29 - <GReaper> host1.espnow.net 06:40:35 - <GReaper> that's the box that qin is on 06:40:43 - <tav> ah 06:40:45 - <tav> host1 (qin, admin1, salfield) ? 06:40:55 - <GReaper> do a traceroute and you shall see 06:41:06 - <GReaper> yup 06:41:08
- <tav> hmz -- http://www.otre.at/wordpress/ -- yet another someone interested in butterfly.tv 13:41:28 - <oierw> tav: how do these people hear of us? 13:47:18 - <tav> that particular one was via an espian -- xirzon 13:47:45 - <tav> most are through our lovers over at large blue 13:48:07
[Business Structure]
[Business Accounting]
[Development Timeline]
[Development Tasks]
- <tav> i'm a gone in 5 days or so -- so, use me whilst i'm here 10:28:00
- <tav> so, whatcha'll tink about da kalati ? 10:38:02 - <tav> checkout packages like https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/browser/trunk/source/python/app/proto/package/fir and https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/browser/trunk/source/python/app/proto/package/video 10:41:15
[Infrastructure]
- <GReaper> anyway, stage 2 of the plan 06:42:28 - <GReaper> move han into a virtual server on host1 06:42:36 - <thruflo> talonlzr: ok cool 06:42:37 - <GReaper> reinstall on the old han box 06:42:49 - <GReaper> that becomes host2.espnow.net 06:42:53 - <GReaper> new han moves onto host2.espnow.net :p 06:43:09
- <GReaper> right, maximum of 5 virtual services on a box 08:59:09 - <GReaper> 2048MB memory 08:59:15 - <GReaper> if qin/admin1/salfield use 512MB each 09:03:19 - <GReaper> host1 itself uses 192 or so 09:03:24 - <GReaper> leaves 2 others with 128 and 192 max 09:05:09
[Development Team Members]
- <oierw> i'm thinking of consolidating the texts on what kalatia will do both short term and long so we have a document we can try to design off of 10:08:58 - <tav> oierw: ah cool 10:09:05 - <tav> hmz, we have texts on that ? 10:09:19 - <oierw> uh, kindof 10:09:40 - <tav> which ? 10:14:57 - <oierw> i dont' ahve them in front of me rightnow. it's basically every document describing things that's been written in the last... 5 years (atleast)
[Protoplex/Kalati]
[VOIP]
[Licensing]
[Subversion]
- <xena> https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/changeset/26 by t (2 added) in 2 subdirs of sandbox/ -- 'a directory for t. and some documnets about plex. from last year. are there newer versions of it?' -- 2weeks.tgz (A) 16:38:15
[LOCALIZATION]
[Transparency]
[3ware]
[butterfly.tv]
[Development Summary]
talonlzr has been updating his docs at http://get.modportal.net/~talon/KalatiEncodingPlatform-Overview.pdf
- <talonlzr> Its a nice way to gain acceptance for the ideas in it. put them out, a page pr. hour ;P 13:37:41 - - <tav> heh 13:37:48 - <talonlzr> you guys will be so brainwashed by the time the document is done, it will be the defacto truth. 13:37:53 - <talonlzr> ;P 13:37:54
http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/2006/06/25#14-11-12 - lots of info here
- <oierw> talonlzr: where do all the different parts reside? which parts are on windows servers of ours, which are on other servers of ours and what is on the clients computers? 14:11:12 - <talonlzr> ok, I ran out of time to do the "Thoughts"-chapter today 14:59:13 - <talonlzr> so I'll answer your question, oierw 14:59:19 More useful info here - http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/2006/06/25#16-22-41
- <tav> https://projects.espnow.com/kalati/browser/kore/on_kalati/python_timing_notes.txt 16:26:05
[Shaila]
- <jeffarch> fifth shaila won't post to google groups, is 56835k 18:38:28 - <oierw> atheres a 55k limit? 18:38:49 - <jeffarch> I keep getting "Server Error 18:39:13 - <jeffarch> The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. 18:39:13 - <jeffarch> Please try again in 30 seconds. " 18:39:13 - <Omnifarious> jeffarch: Do you follor the instructions? 18:41:58 - <Omnifarious> folow 18:42:02 - <jeffarch> yes 18:43:23 - <jeffarch> wait 30, 300, 1000... 18:43:41 - <jeffarch> is for CoreDevShaila22Jun 18:46:32 - <jeffarch> 1mb limit on attachments... 18:48:24 - <oierw> shaila is 57megs? 19:11:04 - <oierw> sorry. just reread that 19:11:27 - <jeffarch> s/k/b 19:19:57 - <oierw> now i'm more confused 19:26:11 - <jeffarch> you were right the first time 19:26:35 - <oierw> so it's 55k, so it won't post 19:26:51 - <jeffarch> right 19:27:21 - <oierw> that's odd 19:27:36 - <jeffarch> and it's reST 19:27:43 - <oierw> reST? 19:27:54 - <jeffarch> restructured text
[World Cup]
Oh yes...
- http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/2006/06/25#10-18-34
[Other]
In reference to http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp/latest#05-06-50
- <t> i shortly talked to lynX he is the leaddeveloper of PSYC 03:59:20 - <t> he is now via psycgate in #esp 04:08:35 - <t> sbp: we started to develop our own chatclient/server for dont some weeks ago. 04:09:57 - <t> but we didnt finished it, 04:10:08 - <t> psyc is in my eyes a good choice for chating and IM. which overcomes some problems which happens in IRC or Jabber. 04:11:16 - <t> i believe it is good technologie to use for massive chat stuff which we would like to provide at the plattform. 04:12:09 - <t> do get an idea what it is about take a look at http://www.psyced.org/ 04:13:05 - <t> or asked lynx (psycgate) 04:13:22 - <t> asked / ask 04:13:37 - <t> another topic userinterface 04:19:57 - <t> tav called me yesterday and we talked a bit about the userinterfaceideas. 04:20:30 - <t> i tried to call jan some minutes ago and i will discuss with him about the general idea of the uerberinterface. 04:21:28 - <t> tav told me that the most of the UI takes use of javascript server communication but it is defined really static. 04:23:30 - <GReaper> trying to find out a decent page to describe how this psyc stuff works 04:24:15 - <t> my goal at the moment is to describe the way how ueberinterface should work within the next week. 04:24:37 - <t> http://www.psyc.eu/whitepaper/white.en.html 04:25:16 - <GReaper> and all the pages look damn ugly btw :p 04:25:41 - <t> its a unusal style. 04:27:41 - <t> its a lot to geeky and the psyc guys need a graphical guy. 04:28:53 - <t> there started some weeks ago psyczilla (xul-psyc-client) and therefore the need someone for sure. 04:29:46 - <t> but i will leave now and join the chat later 04:30:01
- <oierw> i printed out some stuff at work yesterday (about 4cm thick) going to start reading it... now 04:48:23 - <tav> what stuff ? 04:49:14 - <oierw> stuff from svn 04:49:27 - <talonlzr> heh 04:49:58 - <talonlzr> the entire sourcetree? 04:50:01 - <talonlzr> you source-on-paper-pirate! 04:50:09
- <jeffarch> tav: re private irclogs 07:28:52 - <tav> .. ? 07:30:00 - <jeffarch> exactly 07:30:24 - <jeffarch> is xena running on qin? 07:33:10 - <tav> yeah 07:36:38 - <tav> 15:37 -!- xena [n=xena@qin.espnow.net] 07:37:11 - <tav> ;p 07:37:13 - <jeffarch> motleybox itself isn't worth using for esp - crappy hardware, expensive, and impressive conection to the backbones, in an earthquake-prone area 07:37:35 - <talonlzr> ;P 07:37:55 - <jeffarch> and that's where the logs are ;p 07:38:05 - <jeffarch> so what needs to happen to let xena handle the logs? 07:39:54 - <jeffarch> was xena doing the logs before I brought sOIPe online? 07:40:42 - <jeffarch> or another creature? 07:40:47 - * jeffarch bows to Ricky 07:41:19 - <tav> hmz 07:41:41 - <jeffarch> $70/mo for a 1.2G Celeron with 512MB just doesn't compare with the machines at hetzner 07:45:03 - <jeffarch> servepath.com 07:45:58 - <talonlzr> heh, no. 07:46:04 - <jeffarch> so I'm actually paying for the connectivity (capability), not the hardware 07:46:34 - <talonlzr> Hetzner are pretty cheap indeed. 07:46:41 - <jeffarch> and this was one of servepath's "bargain basement" deals 07:47:41 - <jeffarch> otoh, I don't see myself ready to shut down motleybox within the next couple months 08:27:20 - <jeffarch> the logs are welcome on motleybox while it's up :) 08:28:05 - <tav> weren't you going to move over to qin? 08:28:54 - <tav> thought that's why we initially got qin ? 08:29:05 - <jeffarch> ya, that'll still happen, but I don't want to move zope over 08:29:20 - <tav> with the aim that esp would take over qin from you/salfield 08:29:21 - <tav> hmz, k 08:29:25 - <jeffarch> if qin hadn't been taken over, I would have moved zope. 08:31:48 - <jeffarch> :) 08:31:53
NYC Trip
- http://openideaproject.org/irclogs/browse/esp-core/2006/06/25#10-31-26
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TTLY
- This Time Last Year - a look at the #esp logs from a year ago, just for fun
Moving
- <jeffarch> signing off to prepare to go mobile 13:16:47
- <Omnifarious> Hello there. 23:50:05 - <Omnifarious> I just finished getting all my systems back online again. 23:50:16 - <Omnifarious> I moved. 23:50:17 - <Omnifarious> I managed to have only about 4 hours downtime. :-) 23:50:43 - <Omnifarious> Well, 3.5 23:50:52 - <Omnifarious> Off to bed now. :-) 23:51:01
